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		<title>By: Internet Fame, Leaps of Faith, and the Truth from Guy - Liz Strauss at Successful Blog - Thinking, writing, business ideas . . . You’re only a stranger once.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Internet Fame, Leaps of Faith, and the Truth from Guy - Liz Strauss at Successful Blog - Thinking, writing, business ideas . . . You’re only a stranger once.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with Tim Bourquin&#8217;s observations about that. Twitter, blogs, podcasts and new media in general have created a wave of “famous” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Carnival of Real Estate #85 &#124; Real Central VA</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Carnival of Real Estate #85 &#124; Real Central VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the victors go the spoils, and in this case, the spoils are links and all the commensurate fame and glory. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Twisted Pickle Show</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Twisted Pickle Show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nearly 3 years now, I&#039;ve been doing my little show.  The occasional sponsorship deal for a few shows and listener donations here and there have all been nice, but never really put me where I hoped (not initially, but after a while) podcasting could...financially.

Aside from a few folks with deals from this company or that company, or the few who have take the route of charging subscription fees for premium content (Dan Klass, as an example...and yes, I am a premium subscriber to his show), there just doesn&#039;t seem to be the &quot;real world&quot; interest in advertising on blogs or podcasts.  Oddly, though, you can flip through your cable stations and at any given moment on channel 438 at 2pm on a Sunday afternoon see a commercial for anything from exercise equipment to &quot;Sounds of the 70&#039;s&quot; CDs...

For now and the foreseeable future, I guess I have to be content with being &quot;Internet famous&quot; in my own mind.  If others put me in that category, too, great.  I just don&#039;t see how a regular guy like me with a 9-5 job, a wife, two kids, a mortgage, a car payment, and all of the other real world things most of us &quot;new media&quot; types deal with every day really COULD break out of the &quot;internet famous&quot; box and into the just plain old &quot;famous&quot; category....where money seems to just flow.

A lot of us podcasters are what I call &quot;hopeful hobbyists&quot;.  We podcast because we love it...and if someone wants to dump a bucket of money on us our our shows, we won&#039;t complain...  But it is just too difficult for the every day man with a microphone and an hour to kill once every few weeks while the baby&#039;s down for a nap and his wife is shopping with the mother-in-law to knock on doors and drum up ways to monetize.  We sit, we wait, we hope...but that bucket full of money just isn&#039;t going to come for folks like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nearly 3 years now, I&#8217;ve been doing my little show.  The occasional sponsorship deal for a few shows and listener donations here and there have all been nice, but never really put me where I hoped (not initially, but after a while) podcasting could&#8230;financially.</p>
<p>Aside from a few folks with deals from this company or that company, or the few who have take the route of charging subscription fees for premium content (Dan Klass, as an example&#8230;and yes, I am a premium subscriber to his show), there just doesn&#8217;t seem to be the &#8220;real world&#8221; interest in advertising on blogs or podcasts.  Oddly, though, you can flip through your cable stations and at any given moment on channel 438 at 2pm on a Sunday afternoon see a commercial for anything from exercise equipment to &#8220;Sounds of the 70&#8217;s&#8221; CDs&#8230;</p>
<p>For now and the foreseeable future, I guess I have to be content with being &#8220;Internet famous&#8221; in my own mind.  If others put me in that category, too, great.  I just don&#8217;t see how a regular guy like me with a 9-5 job, a wife, two kids, a mortgage, a car payment, and all of the other real world things most of us &#8220;new media&#8221; types deal with every day really COULD break out of the &#8220;internet famous&#8221; box and into the just plain old &#8220;famous&#8221; category&#8230;.where money seems to just flow.</p>
<p>A lot of us podcasters are what I call &#8220;hopeful hobbyists&#8221;.  We podcast because we love it&#8230;and if someone wants to dump a bucket of money on us our our shows, we won&#8217;t complain&#8230;  But it is just too difficult for the every day man with a microphone and an hour to kill once every few weeks while the baby&#8217;s down for a nap and his wife is shopping with the mother-in-law to knock on doors and drum up ways to monetize.  We sit, we wait, we hope&#8230;but that bucket full of money just isn&#8217;t going to come for folks like me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Bourquin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Bourquin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the Trackbacks above links to a video that goes to the heart of this entire matter: http://www.realcentralva.com/2008/04/04/the-social-internet/

Check it out!  Maybe I should invite this guy to keynote the Expo.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the Trackbacks above links to a video that goes to the heart of this entire matter: <a href="http://www.realcentralva.com/2008/04/04/the-social-internet/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realcentralva.com/2008/04/04/the-social-internet/</a></p>
<p>Check it out!  Maybe I should invite this guy to keynote the Expo.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-04-05 &#124; Jonathan Coffman - Convergence Journalism Specialist and New-Media Evangelist</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-04-05 &#124; Jonathan Coffman - Convergence Journalism Specialist and New-Media Evangelist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Social Internet &#124; Real Central VA</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Social Internet &#124; Real Central VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read this excellent discussion in the context of having watched this clip. Via Chris Brogan on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Paul Micek</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Paul Micek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tim, just had to stop back with a note of added thanks. The conversation you started here inspired me to polish up an article I&#039;ve been dying to publish for months. Even put words in your mouth toward the end. :) 

http://tribalseduction.com/newmedia/marketinginnewmediaoz-wickedwitches/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tim, just had to stop back with a note of added thanks. The conversation you started here inspired me to polish up an article I&#8217;ve been dying to publish for months. Even put words in your mouth toward the end. :) </p>
<p><a href="http://tribalseduction.com/newmedia/marketinginnewmediaoz-wickedwitches/" rel="nofollow">http://tribalseduction.com/newmedia/marketinginnewmediaoz-wickedwitches/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Brandt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Brandt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good discussion. I wrestle with the same question every day as I mold a broad mix of media efforts, including &#039;podcasting&#039; into my mix for clients. A couple of comments, mostly in support of the variety of comments you&#039;ve already received...

1. Podcasting is not yet understood by the average businessperson. The name/moniker was always an issue, and in my experience the general business folk (potential clients or sponsors) were and ARE confused about what the heck a podcast really is.

2. Mirroring one post, it really is, in many ways, like being in a band. First, you gotta live it, love it, and believe in yourself in order to keep on going. Next, there will always be other people getting the attention you had hoped to get. That doesn&#039;t mean you should stop.

3. As a media-focused person for life, with a broad music, radio, TV and film background (on a small scale), it appears to me that podcasting and &#039;new media&#039; are just part of an ongoing evolution. I have friends in the &#039;old&#039; music business that are now trying to re-figure out how to make money, because the rules have ALL changed. Filmmakers who had scholling and training in the old ways, are trying to figure out how to output flv and mp4 files. On and on. Ultimately, the new media, and specifically, podcasting, is all part of the NEW MIX. The big guys have the power to jump on it, and we small fish should be ready to provide - service AND content. 

4. The posts on focus and narrow attention to a specific market seem to me to be the most important. I have had the good fortune of being able to convert a very old medium (the ski resort snow report) to a viable podcast endeavor, which clients WANT to participate in. It is professional, viable, current, and valuable to the listener. Content is only king if it MATTERS to someone, no matter how large or small the audience.

I hope to attend the Vegas conference this year, after watching from the wings. It&#039;s not the venue, it&#039;s the MESSAGE!!

Cheers all,

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good discussion. I wrestle with the same question every day as I mold a broad mix of media efforts, including &#8216;podcasting&#8217; into my mix for clients. A couple of comments, mostly in support of the variety of comments you&#8217;ve already received&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Podcasting is not yet understood by the average businessperson. The name/moniker was always an issue, and in my experience the general business folk (potential clients or sponsors) were and ARE confused about what the heck a podcast really is.</p>
<p>2. Mirroring one post, it really is, in many ways, like being in a band. First, you gotta live it, love it, and believe in yourself in order to keep on going. Next, there will always be other people getting the attention you had hoped to get. That doesn&#8217;t mean you should stop.</p>
<p>3. As a media-focused person for life, with a broad music, radio, TV and film background (on a small scale), it appears to me that podcasting and &#8216;new media&#8217; are just part of an ongoing evolution. I have friends in the &#8216;old&#8217; music business that are now trying to re-figure out how to make money, because the rules have ALL changed. Filmmakers who had scholling and training in the old ways, are trying to figure out how to output flv and mp4 files. On and on. Ultimately, the new media, and specifically, podcasting, is all part of the NEW MIX. The big guys have the power to jump on it, and we small fish should be ready to provide &#8211; service AND content. </p>
<p>4. The posts on focus and narrow attention to a specific market seem to me to be the most important. I have had the good fortune of being able to convert a very old medium (the ski resort snow report) to a viable podcast endeavor, which clients WANT to participate in. It is professional, viable, current, and valuable to the listener. Content is only king if it MATTERS to someone, no matter how large or small the audience.</p>
<p>I hope to attend the Vegas conference this year, after watching from the wings. It&#8217;s not the venue, it&#8217;s the MESSAGE!!</p>
<p>Cheers all,</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: moserw</title>
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		<dc:creator>moserw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I myself never thought of it this way.  I would assume everyone is entitled to make some money and take care of their family and in economics unless one is making something there is no way he will continue doing what he is doing and yet not make any money.  He will surely switch professions.  I cannot really believe that people will blog at a loss, no way!  Might be they are making less money than they can make, but then again not everyone is geared towards marketing themselves.  Some of us do blog for the joy of blogging.  What say?

moserw
www.nela.in</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I myself never thought of it this way.  I would assume everyone is entitled to make some money and take care of their family and in economics unless one is making something there is no way he will continue doing what he is doing and yet not make any money.  He will surely switch professions.  I cannot really believe that people will blog at a loss, no way!  Might be they are making less money than they can make, but then again not everyone is geared towards marketing themselves.  Some of us do blog for the joy of blogging.  What say?</p>
<p>moserw<br />
<a href="http://www.nela.in" rel="nofollow">http://www.nela.in</a></p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Tim.

It would be nice if people could achieve some balance on their views on the issue of blogging/podcasting and making money from these things. You have those on one hand who look at this as a way to make money off of others without giving something of real value their the audience and you have those on the other end of the pendulum that yell: &quot;Sell out!&quot; to those who are able to make a living. 

I agree with Steve. Creating a podcast or even a quality blog may not take millions of dollars (and is it really necessary to get rich anyway?) but it take tremendous amounts of time and energy to produce blogs and podcasts of any quality. That&#039;s time that could be spent making money elsewhere. Some of my favorite podcasters are starting to charge for premium content and I support that kind of idea 100%! I may very well end up doing that in the future. After all, if you offer something special or unique for your audience you should be compensated for it. 

Terrestrial radio and commercial TV are supported by advertising, NPR asks for money through pledge drives; I don&#039;t see why a good podcaster can&#039;t use this route to support her/his shows if they are worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Tim.</p>
<p>It would be nice if people could achieve some balance on their views on the issue of blogging/podcasting and making money from these things. You have those on one hand who look at this as a way to make money off of others without giving something of real value their the audience and you have those on the other end of the pendulum that yell: &#8220;Sell out!&#8221; to those who are able to make a living. </p>
<p>I agree with Steve. Creating a podcast or even a quality blog may not take millions of dollars (and is it really necessary to get rich anyway?) but it take tremendous amounts of time and energy to produce blogs and podcasts of any quality. That&#8217;s time that could be spent making money elsewhere. Some of my favorite podcasters are starting to charge for premium content and I support that kind of idea 100%! I may very well end up doing that in the future. After all, if you offer something special or unique for your audience you should be compensated for it. </p>
<p>Terrestrial radio and commercial TV are supported by advertising, NPR asks for money through pledge drives; I don&#8217;t see why a good podcaster can&#8217;t use this route to support her/his shows if they are worth it.</p>
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